Flow Aid Medium - Breaks water tension to improve flow, absorbency and blending of any water based paint, ink or dye and minimizes brush strokes. Is one superior to the other? Your email address will not be published. Yes you can thin them, but when you are starting out, getting the right paint consistency is the most difficult thing. It’s at Canadian Tire in Canada and Home Hardware, Lowes and Home Depot I believe. My GAC800 + Liquitex PM is expensive, so I try to reserve it for premium pieces that I can sell for more money . More testing to come on that – swipes next! Here are my results of the side by side test of the pouring mediums in the video below. Flow-Aid Fluid Additive increases the flow, absorbency, and blending of any water-based paint, ink, or dye. I’d suggest starting out with something easier and turn back to these thick paints once you are a bit more experienced in mixing. Thank you Janis, Your email address will not be published. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on October 28, 2020. I have my first piece still “wet” under the surface and its been over 24 hours. I have HUGE assortment of tubes of Daniel Smith Hard Acrylics from my days of thinking it would be fun to paint acrylics…but I never liked it as well as watercolor…so gave up. Add silicone and torch it if you want cells. Great for staining effects on raw canvas. It’s interesting that the colors which were so horribly ugly for you were satisfying and delightful for me. Your email address will not be published. A flow enhancer that improves the flow absorption and blending of any water-soluble paint (i.e acrylic paint) medium ink or dye. Much less expensive too. Will it all be one big mess again? with fingers (and so might make good cells by swiping with larger objects like plastic sheets). May 18, 2014 - Explore Barbara Dreyfus's board "Liquitex Acrylic Ink", followed by 160 people on Pinterest. Liquitex/Floetrol do not add depth of color, or any color for that matter to ones paint. Thanks so much! I’m not really familiar with the paints you mention but saying they are hard acrylics does give me some concern that they might just be too thick. As usual, check out the slideshow below for more pictures of these two swipes, both wet and dry, and some of the closeups of the details. Get it as soon as Fri, Sep 11. Required fields are marked *, Our Facebook Group is the largest in the world with over 95,000 fluid artists. That’s why I prefer Liquitex since it allows me to control cells. $34.99 (3790ml) - Liquitex Professional Pouring Effects, Medium ... Rather than waste it I use the flow aid so that I can use these paints in the best way possible for a perfect outcome. Liquitex likely hasnât been made/tested for combining with them, so thatâs a factor disturbing the expected results (50/50 mix obviously but your 100% mix still has silicone). does liquidtex form cells when you don’t want cells? Too bad… there are so many things we cannot have here! But it’s not quite so bad to look at, because there is more white paint to break up the colors, as a swipe. It was basically 1 tablespoon of paint, to a half tablespoon of either the Floetrol or the Liquitex (or the 50/50 mix of each), plus about a teaspoon of water, as needed. On non-absorbent surfaces, it will increase the fluidity and open (drying) time of the paint. Poor adhesion from over thinning of acrylic paint with Liquitex Flow-Aid whilst applying to a non-absorbent surface (i.e. I’ve used so much paint and mediums in the six weeks or so I’ve been doing this! Enjoy everyone else’s work so keep having fun!! Directions Liquitex Flow-AidTM is a concentrate. I know that Floetrol can be expensive sometimes on Amazon and hard to find in stores in Canada. I’ve not used that one, can’t get it here, but I did try a similar one called Thin-X. You can see my video review and results HERE. I’ve never had them before, but in both experiments with the Pouring Medium from Liquitex, all the examples had lots of little pin holes in them. The cracking in the liquitex is caused by adding water to your paints.. Pouring medium is supposed to be used with high flow acrylics that are designed as a thin flowing acrylic. And entertaining! The paints all mixed the same, and made the same volume to get the same consistency so no one method stood out as needing more or less water than the others. I’m not sure that its commonly available. All Flotrol and paint and one Liquitex and paint. Happy to answer your questions. No difference seen. We’d love to hear more! Flood Company Floetrol Acrylic Paint & Stain Conditioner Keeps Paint Flowing 1L 4.3 out of 5 stars 8. gessoed canvas) can occur. I am more like the mad scientist LOL, Also, I am trying to learn the dutch pour. Paints do vary in consistency so it’s an experience thing getting it just right. I have searched all the websites of hardware stores I can think of, and none have any product called “Floetrol.” I live in Canada, so I’m wondering whether this is an American brand that isn’t available here. Oh, and a very small dash of water. The Amazon price is the same as CT and you can get 1 qt or a gallon…. I was looking for something bright and cheerful and it was a bit of an eyesore in the end, but still, the experiment was useful. I’ve done a lot of research trying to find ways to get good results and control of cells whilst being archival and it isn’t looking good. I don’t really measure measure but I use much more Liquidtex than I do paint. No immediate difference seen or felt during paint mixing. I need a defined chart what to use where. I am going to try this for the first time. Amazon, the Amazon logo, AmazonSupply, and the AmazonSupply logo are trademarks of Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. have you tried fluid acrylics instead of high flow and did that effect your fm? I also had major cracking/splitting – thought it might be my hairdryer was too close and hot…(couldn’t afford a heat gun/burner or whatever ‘just for a try’) it might be all well and good to keep experimenting but its expensive. It IS very useful for other projects and I find it indispensable. If you have questions, we have answers! Supplies to Get Started With Acrylic Pouring, The Complete Acrylic Pouring Techniques Guide, 40 Essential Tips for Acrylic Pouring Beginners, Ultimate Guide for Using Silicone to Create Beautiful Cells, 1/2 tsbp of pouring medium made up 50/50 between. It doesn’t mean it definitely will happen, but the medium stops that. I had the same experience. What about its archival qualities will it stand up well in UV light. I will try Floetrol as Liquitex is extreamly expensive here in Australia. Liquitex Flow Aid - 118ml. Supplies to Get Started With Acrylic Pouring, The Complete Acrylic Pouring Techniques Guide, 40 Essential Tips for Acrylic Pouring Beginners, Ultimate Guide for Using Silicone to Create Beautiful Cells. And, as always, your pouring videos are both interesting and informative. Each pot of paint had 4-5 drops of the Treadmill lubricant silicone oil. The use of PG makes a big difference cost wise to the end product as it is much cheaper to purchase than Acrylic and while it will make paint flow more easily it will not maintain the inherent body of the paint. On a pension this is hard. If I am using paint from plastic tubes, I increase the amount of pouring medium to 3-4 parts PM to 1 part paint. Dont think this medium is for me I brought a pack of pouring paints and a bottle pouring medium (which I thought at the time was the same as Floetrol) and a bottle of liquid silicone, all up about $100 AU, to create a canvas for my grand daughters BD, it’s nearly all gone and so far not one cell in site nor any work worth keeping. With craft, paints try mixing one to one and medium body paints one paint and three medium. But CT, HD and Lowes didn’t have it on their websites so will have to go in store to check. gessoed canvas) can occur. In other words, what is the chemical substance? That being said, I'm still learning! It is used to dilute house paint going through paint sprayer. I know cells are the rage but there are many other pour painting techniques than just a profusion of cells. I have two gallons of Floetrol. I am totally confused. You’ve nothing to loose and might love it! The one with Floetrol only created a gazillion beautifully defined cells, but they are tiny. The one with Liquitex created cells too, but larger and softer. Flotrol by itself will always give some cells without oil. Would it be in an art store, or more like a hardware store? Most of the videos I have seen of this process do a few other thigs consistently that you did not do and because of that, I have a few questions: Do you happen to know what the non-brand name of Floetrol is? I found it in my local store, but I wouldn’t know where you could get it in the US/UK. Hi, There is a substitute product to Floetrol called XIM which is also much cheaper. I go in studio/shed to varnish or something and while I’m there an idea springs out and I have to try it right then! Are proper pouring mediums worth the $? "Thinner" is mostly the liquid in which the acrylic paint binder molecules are suspended. Thanks… does it go under another name … nothing coming up for that product on google? I am an artist and sell my work so this is important to me to know. Be patient and don’t try to speed it up or you can cause the paint to crack. It’s possible that it is because I’ve been exposed to these color mixtures all my life, from living near and visiting Latin countries. I find the colors can get muddy if I mix the dirty pour cup so I prefer not to do it, especially if I am doing a flip. The one with Floetrol only created a gazillion beautifully defined cells, but they are tiny. I’ve tried both too, didn’t really see much difference, but as floetrol is cheaper and I seem to need loads of the stuff…..its floetrol for me. However, it will probably still be a smaller ratio than the 50/50 you did here. Ok, maybe a drop of water if needed. I noticed that the order of what color you added was not the same in the first cup as you did for the 2nd and 3rd cups. 1. Since our style of painting has become really popular this has been sold out or very low in stock in a lot of places. Hmm, likely. Liquitex is qualified as archival; Floetrol and silicone are not. Use in conjunction with any acrylic medium or acrylic color when increased flow and absorption and decreased film tension and friction are important. I prefer a little color separation personally. So I’m comparing my ‘old’ recipe of paint, Floetrol, water and silicone on the one side and in the second pour, I’ve replaced half of the Floetrol with Liquitex Pouring Medium. There are a lot of other pouring mediums you can try. Yes Floetrol is a latex paint extender usually found in DIY stores. If I’m using heavy body acrylic paint (usually in a metal tube or a tub or jar with a lid) I will use up to 10 parts PM to 1 part paint. On line it is $54 for 946 mls and in the art supply shop it is $70! Hey all, New member here. I think it just didn’t like my paint or my recipe perhaps. I want to try Acrylic pouring so I’ve been watching videos. I was told the Pouring Medium could dilute the hard acrylics into Flow Acrylics….and more dilution would make them pour-able. Hmm, well these two look very different. Thank you!! A rarity in pouring videos! 2. Are the basically the same thing? Both swipes look beautiful to me and I like the color choices very much. One problem is when I use the hair dryer it blows bare spots in my canvas. On non-absorbent surfaces, it will increase the fluidity and open (drying) time of the paint. If they were good before adding it, they should be good after. Hi, I’m also in Canada. I like to leave mine 4 days before touching, depending on size and the substrate. But YES the tube are fine so long as they are not oils and are acrylics. Is this to reduce the amount of pouring mediums to save money or does it help with preventing cracking? I’ll be interested to hear if any of you have carried out any similar testing and what conclusions you came to. As always, you denigrate your fine work. For more free tips and guides on acrylic pouring check out our guides below: Something is wrong with the cracks using the Liquidtex. They are an additive for the behavior of the paint, and do not effect its color. Never easy when you change up something to a different product. My experiments have already used quite a lot of my precious bottle, so now I have to decide what to do next. Why did you not mix (even just a few stirs) the dirty cup once And all three of the effects!! Floetrol, particularly, is a builders’ product not intended for fine art. It was clearly one of those days when nothing seems to go right. 5.0 out of 5 stars Liquitex flow aid. Just smallerso watch the ratios . Thank you for considering my question. I've purchased a few bottles of Liquitex PM, but it runs out so quickly I just can't do it when Floetrol is $13.97 at Lowe's (which is walking distance from my apartment). I haven’t needed to water it down at all. On the subject matter as well as the sides. What exactly is Floetrol, and where can one typically find it? That’s totally normal just because the paint is so thick. Back in the day, the drop of dish soap that you added to a bottle of Poly S paint was a flow improver. I love your sense of adventure otherwise. I also use golden high flow acrylics and only need to add a few drops of color to the pm. Floetrol VS Luiquitex Flow-Aid. I can’t possibly see how this is a comparison of two products when in the second instance you mix the two mediums. Another somewhat common addition to homemade pouring medium recipes is Flow-Aid, a product from Liquitex (which also makes pouring medium) that helps increase flow and workability in acrylic paints. If you’re interested in writing a more in depth article on this let us know at email@example.com. So try the head to head test. The Liquitex website says you should mix â95% medium to 5% colorâ. Acrylic Pouring for Beginners (Start Here), How to do Your First Acrylic Pour – Step By Step Guide, Liquitex PM vs Floetrol Pouring Medium Comparison (Side-by-Side Test Part 2). Liquitex Professional Flow Aid Effects Medium, 4-oz. A flow enhancer that improves the flow, absorption and blending of any Brand: Liquitex Model: AX118FA from R243.00. $10.51 $ 10. I feel like it helped keep my colors separate, too, but again that could just be because I messed up the first time. And heavens sake no water. I got cracks with the liqitex but not with the floetrol. But I think I can say that from these two experiments I’m not seeing any immediate or obvious difference that would point me in any one direction to say it was or wasn’t worth investing in. I used enough paint to get the depth of color I want. I get mine at DULUX paint. I’m going to pick up Zinsser’s Latex Extender from Home Depot today and see how that works out. But its very similar to the XIM and the Zinnsser product too. Thinking to return the Liquitex now if no one swears by one over the other. Thanks for this. More testing? If you’re testing one against the other it seems you have to test one against the other. Required fields are marked *, Our Facebook Group is the largest in the world with over 95,000 fluid artists. Apparently, in Canada it has been banned because of environmental legislation. Do you agree? You did half-half to create some control with your other recipes, but this would essentially make your Liquitex mixed solution too thick! Save more with Subscribe & Save. I think that already mixes the paint sufficiently. But its not the only option. It would save the bank! Getting set up to start this pouring adventure. the only problem with using water to get the fluidity of the paints means you’re breaking down the binders. I use a tile when I am practicing or experimenting because they are easy to wipe off and reuse. The only difference I’m seeing the pin holes. Enhance your latest masterpiece with this fantastic Liquitex String Gel, a type of effect medium with a beautiful glossy and transparent sheen. On the other hand, I’ve done two side by side swipes before that turned out just this different. Acrylic Pouring is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com, Endless.com, MYHABIT.com, SmallParts.com, or AmazonWireless.com. ... FLOOD/PPG FLD6-04 Floetrol Additive (1 Quart) 4.7 out of 5 â¦ If anyone knows this is normal I would appreciate any tips! Always make a test piece for your particular application and surface. I would say for the small amounts that I mix in the pots with lids, 2-3 drops and for the 8oz squeeze bottles, I add 10-12 drops in total. Another experiment? $34.99 (3790ml) - Liquitex Professional Pouring Effects, Medium ... Rather than waste it I use the flow aid so that I can use these paints in the best way possible for a perfect outcome. My question is, anyone know the difference between Floetrol and Liquitex Flow Aid? Thanks Fran for that info – I’m in BC, and looking for Floetrol. 4.7 out of 5 stars 654. Amazon, the Amazon logo, AmazonSupply, and the AmazonSupply logo are trademarks of Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. 5 Things You Should Know About Floetrol vs Liquitex The practice of pouring artist paints is not a new way of applying paint, getting better results may be costly and frustrating. The Liquitex website says you should mix “95% medium to 5% color”. I have never had any cracking with it but I also don’t get cells either. I know lots of other have success. This could lead to cracking or flaking. I decided on a three-part test. I am told that you can find it in branches of Dulux paint or Home Hardware. Why did you not “torch” the paint after you poured? 51. At last, I got my hands on the gold standard pouring medium for acrylic pouring and swiping – the Liquitex Pouring Medium. Flood Floetrol Additive. Thank you! I am not the most organized person to begin with. I notice people are also adding Elmer’s white glue along with the Liquitex/Floetrol if they aren’t concerned about archival properties. Minimum dilution: 1 part Liquitex Flow-Aid to 10 parts distilled water to achieve Flow-Aid Water. Hmm, not so good. Flow Aid breaks the surface tension of the color and gives it a water-like feel. vurtil opmer says: February 11, 2020 at 1:02 am so much wonderful info on here, : D. Reply. 2. Its not the whole mix, so expect to add water for different techniques and applications. Use with Liquitex Soft Body color to create very fluid washes without hard edges. They weren’t pretty colors then so they aren’t pretty now either. "Flow Improver" reduces the surface tension and to some extent the viscosity of the paint. This depends on the paint too, as Liquitex recommends this ratio for their soft body paints, which likely have a higher pigment count compared to cheaper brands. It is advertised as not causing cracks and I haven’t had any. The shop assistant at my Eckersley’s art store says Liquitex didn’t behave well to torching in their experience but did create cells by being swiped, e.g. For the sake of your experiment here, you might not have given Liquitex the best shot. Poor adhesion from over thinning of acrylic paint with Liquitex Flow-Aid whilst applying to a non-absorbent surface (i.e. You can purchase Floetrol in paint shops. Ok, so that last test was a bust. I’ve done a lot of reading and talking to people about archival mediums as I’m planning a big painting to sell. It depends on how much volume of paint I mix up. Hope that helps. Will there be any difference? I don’t know if this makes any difference, but in your first test comparisons with the flip cups. 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